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	<title>Comments on: More rankings: Shanghai Jiao Tong, Forbes (&amp; AHELO?)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvard University is still the No. 1 university in the 2010 Shanhai Jiao Tong rankings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvard University is still the No. 1 university in the 2010 Shanhai Jiao Tong rankings.</p>
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		<title>By: More rankings Shanghai Jiao Tong Forbes amp AHELO Beerkens 39 Blog &#124; Uniform Stores</title>
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		<dc:creator>More rankings Shanghai Jiao Tong Forbes amp AHELO Beerkens 39 Blog &#124; Uniform Stores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More rankings Shanghai Jiao Tong Forbes amp AHELO Beerkens 39 Blog   Posted by root 9 minutes ago (http://blog.beerkens.info)        A look at different university ranking systems like the shanghai jiao tong thanks for that comment kris it gives me the opportunity to clarify what i said above an attempt to aggregate excellent teaching in a liberal arts college with beerkens 39 blog pow        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; More rankings Shanghai Jiao Tong Forbes amp AHELO Beerkens 39 Blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More rankings Shanghai Jiao Tong Forbes amp AHELO Beerkens 39 Blog   Posted by root 9 minutes ago (<a href="http://blog.beerkens.info" rel="nofollow">http://blog.beerkens.info</a>)        A look at different university ranking systems like the shanghai jiao tong thanks for that comment kris it gives me the opportunity to clarify what i said above an attempt to aggregate excellent teaching in a liberal arts college with beerkens 39 blog pow        Discuss&nbsp;  |&nbsp; Bury |&nbsp;    News | More rankings Shanghai Jiao Tong Forbes amp AHELO Beerkens 39 Blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Maarja: interesting points ;)
@ Ilanch: this might give you a good and thrustworthy start: http://www.aucc.ca/index_e.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Maarja: interesting points ;)<br />
@ Ilanch: this might give you a good and thrustworthy start: <a href="http://www.aucc.ca/index_e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aucc.ca/index_e.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ilanch</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilanch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hai friend

 i am pleased with your work. it was very helpful to me.but i need one clarification. i am indian and i wanna do my masters in canada in the field of civil engineering. but i have no idea about the good unis out there. so tell me what should i do to find such one..please help</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hai friend</p>
<p> i am pleased with your work. it was very helpful to me.but i need one clarification. i am indian and i wanna do my masters in canada in the field of civil engineering. but i have no idea about the good unis out there. so tell me what should i do to find such one..please help</p>
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		<title>By: Maarja Soo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maarja Soo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the problem somewhat differently. First, I think it is good if rankings are constructed separately for teaching and research. An attempt to aggregate excellent teaching in a Liberal Arts College with the lack of research (which is not part of their mission) would end up in a mess that does not inform anybody on anything. Teaching and research are somewhat linked but they are mostly separate “products”.  We still do not know whether they are complementing or substituting each other  or if this depends on thousands of other things. The problems arise only when people use research rankings for teaching-related decisions. But what can you do?! Some people tend to go for looks and fame, not only in HE.

Secondly, SJIT ranking is not a research ranking; it is a research prestige ranking. This explains their stability. It is heavily influenced by Nobel prizes and highly cited authors – i.e. &quot;research stars”. We know that the top private universities have simply more money to hire the “stars”. The real question is to what extent the “stars” actually affect research (or teaching) that goes on at the university in  2008. I noticed the picture of Einstein in your next entry.  He certainly brought a lot of prestige to Princeton. With all due respect, by the time he joined Princeton his real contribution to science was done and he also was certainly not the type to bring in a lot of grant money and encourage “the best talent” to work with him. It is correct that universities are complex organizations and it is unlikely that they substantially change over one year&#039;s timebut this, I am afraid, is not the  reason why we see the stability in this ranking. The true reason is that the ranking is tied down by history and money.   

I completely share your concern that there are no public universities on the picture. Fortunately, no reason to despair! If we count citations, University of Michigan, UCLA, University of Washington are in the top 10. This is in my view a better indicator of CURRENT research. By that criterion, by the way, Princeton drops to 120. (See interesting calculations at http://rankingwatch.blogspot.com/) 
   
PS.  BTW, this is not a personal vendetta against Princeton. It is still my favorite among the giants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the problem somewhat differently. First, I think it is good if rankings are constructed separately for teaching and research. An attempt to aggregate excellent teaching in a Liberal Arts College with the lack of research (which is not part of their mission) would end up in a mess that does not inform anybody on anything. Teaching and research are somewhat linked but they are mostly separate “products”.  We still do not know whether they are complementing or substituting each other  or if this depends on thousands of other things. The problems arise only when people use research rankings for teaching-related decisions. But what can you do?! Some people tend to go for looks and fame, not only in HE.</p>
<p>Secondly, SJIT ranking is not a research ranking; it is a research prestige ranking. This explains their stability. It is heavily influenced by Nobel prizes and highly cited authors – i.e. &#8220;research stars”. We know that the top private universities have simply more money to hire the “stars”. The real question is to what extent the “stars” actually affect research (or teaching) that goes on at the university in  2008. I noticed the picture of Einstein in your next entry.  He certainly brought a lot of prestige to Princeton. With all due respect, by the time he joined Princeton his real contribution to science was done and he also was certainly not the type to bring in a lot of grant money and encourage “the best talent” to work with him. It is correct that universities are complex organizations and it is unlikely that they substantially change over one year&#8217;s timebut this, I am afraid, is not the  reason why we see the stability in this ranking. The true reason is that the ranking is tied down by history and money.   </p>
<p>I completely share your concern that there are no public universities on the picture. Fortunately, no reason to despair! If we count citations, University of Michigan, UCLA, University of Washington are in the top 10. This is in my view a better indicator of CURRENT research. By that criterion, by the way, Princeton drops to 120. (See interesting calculations at <a href="http://rankingwatch.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rankingwatch.blogspot.com/</a>) </p>
<p>PS.  BTW, this is not a personal vendetta against Princeton. It is still my favorite among the giants.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that comment Kris. It gives me the opportunity to clarify what I said above.

I agree with what you said. I do think that the SJT rankings get - and should get - more attention than the THES ranking. That is...from the professional circles.

I still have the impression that students and media (unfortunately) pay more attention to the THES rankings. Media exposure (especially in the commonwealth) is higher on the THES rankings than on the SJT ranking. And - looking at the search terms that bring people to my blog - I think the general public is more aware of the THES rankings.

My &#039;two cents theory&#039; is that one of the reasons for this difference in &#039;popularity&#039; is exactly the fact that the THES is so inconsistent. I was not really excited to see the next SJT ranking. I didn&#039;t expected any major changes, and I didn&#039;t get them. I am more excited about the publication of the THES rankings. Simply because you never know what major absurd shifts will be in that league table... Unfortunately!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that comment Kris. It gives me the opportunity to clarify what I said above.</p>
<p>I agree with what you said. I do think that the SJT rankings get &#8211; and should get &#8211; more attention than the THES ranking. That is&#8230;from the professional circles.</p>
<p>I still have the impression that students and media (unfortunately) pay more attention to the THES rankings. Media exposure (especially in the commonwealth) is higher on the THES rankings than on the SJT ranking. And &#8211; looking at the search terms that bring people to my blog &#8211; I think the general public is more aware of the THES rankings.</p>
<p>My &#8216;two cents theory&#8217; is that one of the reasons for this difference in &#8216;popularity&#8217; is exactly the fact that the THES is so inconsistent. I was not really excited to see the next SJT ranking. I didn&#8217;t expected any major changes, and I didn&#8217;t get them. I am more excited about the publication of the THES rankings. Simply because you never know what major absurd shifts will be in that league table&#8230; Unfortunately!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Olds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris Olds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good entry.  But I would disagree with you as my sense, on the basis of what I have seen going on in higher ed policy circles in Paris, Brussels, the USA and Canada, is significant and *growing* interest in the Shanghai rankings. In the US, in particular, universities pay a lot more attention to the Shanghai rankings than they do the THES-QS rankings (for a range of reasons). National-scale university and field-specific rankings (e.g., U.S. News &amp; World Report; NRC) still matter most in the US, this said, at least right now.  Kris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good entry.  But I would disagree with you as my sense, on the basis of what I have seen going on in higher ed policy circles in Paris, Brussels, the USA and Canada, is significant and *growing* interest in the Shanghai rankings. In the US, in particular, universities pay a lot more attention to the Shanghai rankings than they do the THES-QS rankings (for a range of reasons). National-scale university and field-specific rankings (e.g., U.S. News &amp; World Report; NRC) still matter most in the US, this said, at least right now.  Kris</p>
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